>Oh my goodness, are you that chosenly ignorant?
"Then go quickly and tell his disciple 'He has been raised from the dead, and indeed he is going ahead of you to Galilee, there you will see him'...Now the eleven apostles went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them." - Matt 28:7,16 RSV
"Now in that same day two of tme were returning from Emmaus , about seven miles from Jerusalem...Jesus himself came ner and went with them.. So he went in and stayed with them.. That same hour they got up and returned to Jerusalem; and they found the eleven and their companions gathered together."
>So which was it, Galilee or Jerusalem?
The second passage (that you failed to note) is from Mark 16.7. It is part of the context beginning after the resurrection. Ignorance is not a excuse that I have in this case.
Mark 14:28. But after I have risen, I will go ahead of you into Galilee."
That was Jesus' instructions to the disciples. The disciples lack of faith made them slow to act on these words; they did not leave for Galilee until Jesus had repeatedly appeared to them in Jerusalem. Any first year seminary student with a half decent study Bible can figure this one out.
>also..
A. At what time in the morning did the women visit the tomb?- At the rising of the sun (Mark 16:2) vs. when it was yet dark (John 20:1)
Ha ha ha, is it YET dark just at the 'rising of the sun'? Where did you get this 'contradiction'?
>B. Who came?- Mary Magdalene alone (John 20:1) vs. Mary Magdalene and the other Mary (Matt. 28:1) vs. Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Salome (Mark 16:1) vs. Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James and other women (Luke 24:10)
You are talking about eyewitness accounts, each one is complimentary in their information. Each gospel is written for a different audience and a different perspective, as well. Complimentary information is not a contradiction, this is why a prosecutor would rather have a circumstancial case than a crime witnessed by several persons....
>C. Was the tomb opened or closed when they arrived? - Open (Luke 24:2) vs. closed (Matt 28:1-2)
Again, a complimentary passage written by two different writers from two different sources. None of this affects the 'infallibility' of scripture, some might read it to affect the 'inerrancy' depending on the research done by each person. The bottom line is that this does not affect the story within the text. This is where the ignorant skeptic doing internet research consistently fails.
>D. Whom did they see at the tomb?- The angel (Matt. 28:2) vs. a young man (Mark 16:5) vs. two men (Luke 24:4) vs. two angels (John 20:11-12)
Ditto, these are descriptions from different sources. What you do not realize that wherever the gospels are almost word for word, that is used to throw doubt on them, wherever they expand and give different details that is used to throw doubt on them! Which way is it going to be?
>E. Were these men or angels inside or outside the tomb? -Outside (Matt. 28.2) vs. inside (Mark 16:5, Luke 24:3-4, John 20:11-12).
Ditto
>F. Were they standing or sitting? - Standing (Luke 24:4) vs. sitting (Matt. 28:2, Mark 16:5, John 20:12).
Ditto
>G. Did Mary Magdalene know Jesus when he first appeared to her?-Yes, she did (Matt. 28:9) vs. no she did not (John 20:14)
Ditto again! NONE of this affects the veracity of the story. Even the radical libs within Christianity confirm this. An unbiased history professor could also tell you this. You have already decided that you will not believe, therefore you search for excuses not to believe. I could give you study references but that seems to be useless with so many of you here.
>eh, but never mind, I'm not interested in answering point by point...
That's obvious. The differences in the gospels are actually a major part of the evidence for the veracity and believability of the texts! That and the fact that the people who claimed to witness these events went to their deaths without recanting. If they were all lying they would not have done that, they would simply have shut up and the story never would have been told, there would be no Christianity to debate.
>you just keep on believing, Rex.
I will do just that. I could logically do no other! LOL
Rex
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Jesus as Manager and Founder of Christianity
by jgnat inas a manager, i've used jesus as a model and his example has served me well.
i approach my job as a servant 1 , and the people under me are the ones i work for.
i follow the foot-washing principle2.
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by Shining One injgnat, .
you had some points that i missed in a previous thread.
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Hey Steven,
What kind of debate are you going to have with someone who denies the very basis for what she claims to believe? Actually, I hope you who are agnostic are taking notes here. You have been given the best example of your potential opponent's weaknesses. You are actually on the same side so as her in many ways. I suppose it will be a nice debate where Jgnat denies scripture, denies doctrine, and agrees with the opponents enough to get another 'pat on the back'! LOL
For Gnat,
"Oh, you're such a good Christian, Jgnat. You don't practice any part of Christianity that we disagree with. You agree with us, so we respect you! Those who people who take their faith so seriously are just offensive and bigoted." Is that how it is, Jgnat?
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by Shining One injgnat, .
you had some points that i missed in a previous thread.
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Hey Dan,
Why is it that Christians cannot defend their beliefs without being slandered?
>My head just exploded. Given the general tone of SO's posts, this is as pot-calling-the-kettle-black as one could possibly imagine.
You cheered on the 'booted out and banned' AlanF when he did much worse than anyone like me has done. You are simply too dishonest to admit your own hypocrisy.
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.....His arrogant proclamations are mind-blowing for sure, but I think the result is clarity, not chaos.
I heard a good joke the other day, how is this for clarity?
If a man speaks in the forest and no woman is there to hear him, is he still wrong? LOL I can't wait to hear the feminazis howl now.
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Quentin,
Give it your best shot, boy. Don't waffle and make idle threats. If you are going to challenge someone to a gunfight you better be able to pack more than a peashooter! LOL
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by Shining One injgnat, .
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Answer the questions, Jgnat. Don't snipe at me and carry on pointless coversations. There is no point in trying to 'save face' when you have already lost your whole posterior....LOL
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Terry, Leolani: your flat-earth lie is debunked..
by Shining One inhttp://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/98216/1692264/post.ashx#1692264 .
go here then you will find the link.
enjoy the read.
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That article has been debunked, Terry. 'Swindler' is a fitting name for this cretin...LOL
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Romans 1
by Shining One inromans 1 .
18. the wrath of god is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, .
19. since what may be known about god is plain to them, because god has made it plain to them.
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The text speaks for itself......
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by Shining One inromans 1 .
18. the wrath of god is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, .
19. since what may be known about god is plain to them, because god has made it plain to them.
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Romans 1
18. The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness,
19. since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
20. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
21. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
23. and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24. Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
25. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.
26. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
27. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28. Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.
29. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,
30. slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;
31. they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
32. Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Where the shoe fits. just wear it! LOL
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Jesus as Manager and Founder of Christianity
by jgnat inas a manager, i've used jesus as a model and his example has served me well.
i approach my job as a servant 1 , and the people under me are the ones i work for.
i follow the foot-washing principle2.
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Cygnus,
In what way are the gospels contradictory? Please do enlighten us.
Rex